id username date time status 2910964367 percussion 29/07/2009 16:13 Loosely-coupled arch. + modular packaging can help solve this. RT @lisapr1ce Adding CMS features is slow/clunky - web moves too fast #iwmwp4 2909596833 andypowe11 29/07/2009 14:45 @hectorpeebles yes agreed... i found it very hard to listen and tweet and read all at the same time :-( #iwmwp4 2909575085 andypowe11 29/07/2009 14:43 btw, despite my reservations about the question being asked, i think that james' #iwmwp4 session was a really interesting use of twitter 2909452523 jimdowning 29/07/2009 14:34 @m1ke_ellis ... there's no point trying to communicate the difference any longer. #iwmwp4 2909440966 jimdowning 29/07/2009 14:33 @m1ke_ellis Just a reflection of the dwindling proportion of web users who know the diff btw "web" and "internet" ... #iwmwp4 2909234849 hectorpeebles 29/07/2009 14:18 Personally, IMHO, I don't really think that session worked... Twitter onscreen during talks = distracting. V. tough to concentrate #IWMWP4 2909223218 mecb 29/07/2009 14:17 #iwmwp4 - time to switch back to #iwmw2009 #p5 2909201204 ttso 29/07/2009 14:16 #iwmwp4 I agree with @Davie_T. I thought that by CMS in this session you mean Configuration Management System (ITIL) 2909196876 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:15 #iwmwp4 Just thought, the govt is looking for impact to be 30% of REF - not good for woolliness I think. 2909194178 marcus67 29/07/2009 14:15 #iwmwp4 #iwmw2009 "presentation" didn't really work for me... workshops are better for that type of discussion 2909192845 psm0726 29/07/2009 14:15 What will JC do to top this next year? #iwmwp4 2909174609 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 14:14 #iwmwp4 Found this more useful than looking at a video feed where I can't se the slides ... 2909171483 gmcaleese 29/07/2009 14:13 The more you think about it do any of us really know and explain what we mean by the web #iwmwp4 2909170803 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:13 #iwmwp4 blimey! 2909168007 psm0726 29/07/2009 14:13 Elisabeth says to stop apologising #iwmwp4 2909167272 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:13 #iwmwp4 Strange but interesting. And challenging for my multitasking abilities. 2909167146 Davie_T 29/07/2009 14:13 @#iwmwp4 tweet dont talk 2909159929 joelporter 29/07/2009 14:13 #iwmwp4 sheep get european funding 2909158099 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:12 #iwmwp4 Is there time for questions at the end? 2909156470 mecb 29/07/2009 14:12 JISC please note - IWMW and UKOLN do not recommend the writing of papers that don't have any real meaning! :-) #iwmwp4 2909154001 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:12 #iwmwp4 But can't the judges see through the flannel that underneath is wool? 2909151164 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 14:12 #iwmwp4 ... on committees ...you gotta use the right words . you then get on with doing what you want ... and justify change direction later 2909148374 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 14:12 Holy mother of God, is that IE6? #iwmwp4 2909145860 andypowe11 29/07/2009 14:11 do shoe makers ask "what is a shoe?" - #cobblers #iwmwp4 2909144896 drewmcconnell 29/07/2009 14:11 wooly thinking gets funding all the time.... #iwmwp4 2909143999 dbushell 29/07/2009 14:11 #iwmwp4 is a very confusing workshop! 2909142340 psm0726 29/07/2009 14:11 I find myself reading the tweets and not listening to James #iwmwp4 2909136875 ben_whitehouse 29/07/2009 14:11 #iwmwp4 < 2 mins: i don't think i'm going to find out what the web is 2909133201 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:11 #iwmwp4 Funding goes to those projects that are of institutional importance. We need to know what is important to our institutions first. 2909127557 marcus67 29/07/2009 14:10 @rappinrach #iwmwp4 budgets are gleaned from corporate strategies that are always woolly 2909119608 perrydaniel 29/07/2009 14:10 the web is .... = 42 #iwmwp4 2909118770 Davie_T 29/07/2009 14:09 @#iwmwp4 content is dead process improvement is king 2909113932 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:09 #iwmwp4 The web is the future. 2909106378 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:08 #iwmwp4 But does woolliness get funding? 2909104577 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:08 #iwmwp4 Teams in institutions have to define what they do and don't do and how they work with other Teams in order that everything happens. 2909101982 davidrnewman 29/07/2009 14:08 #iwmwp4 what is learning? is the question? not what is the web 2909100140 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 14:08 Maybe we would get more done if we stopped looking for answers and just got on with stuff...? #iwmwp4 2909097387 joelporter 29/07/2009 14:08 it's that Thomas Carlyle bloke again #iwmwp4 maybe we should consider the web as a ubiquitous service, integrated with other services? 2909092315 psm0726 29/07/2009 14:07 Have we decided what the web is yet? #iwmwp4 2909089030 civ1342 29/07/2009 14:07 #iwmwp4 'attribution'? do you mean citation? another role for librarians!! Libraries rock!! 2909082087 Davie_T 29/07/2009 14:07 @#iwmwp4 there ia always an answer but you do need to know the question 2909081269 stedaniels 29/07/2009 14:06 @lisapr1ce don't use CMS's most are just cookie cutters that are always slightly the wrong shape. Use systems to manage content. #iwmwp4 2909079829 mecb 29/07/2009 14:06 5 min warning James! #iwmwp4 2909078114 lisapr1ce 29/07/2009 14:06 I think nomenclature is the least of our challenges. Should move on from discussing the labels, and get to the meat! #iwmwp4 2909076962 hectorpeebles 29/07/2009 14:06 @andypowe11 I never had it to lose... Was there a plot? #IWMWp4 2909076012 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:06 #iwmwp4 I like woolliness but do librarians and IT programmers? 2909074944 mattycurry 29/07/2009 14:06 . @marcus67 #iwmwp4 that seems perfectly sensible. Everyone's selling something, and without feedback how will the product improve? 2909071261 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:06 #iwmwp4 I came here for an answer dammit ;) 2909061688 andypowe11 29/07/2009 14:05 I've lost the plot? #iwmwp4 2909061286 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:05 #iwmwp4 But I do agree that the corporate web presence constrains the academic side of stuff 2909058640 lisapr1ce 29/07/2009 14:05 @m1ke_ellis think attribution is more important than copyright now #iwmwp4 2909057537 timothym 29/07/2009 14:05 The cms makes it 'harder' for some but better for the people using our sites. #iwmwp4 2909055229 catmachine 29/07/2009 14:04 #iwmwp4 Just comparing our current use of CMS with the past when I had to teach unwilling admin staff to use HTML 2909052402 andypowe11 29/07/2009 14:04 what is the web? - the web is what you access thru your web browser - but who cares and why does it help to ask the question? #iwmwp4 2909045780 stedaniels 29/07/2009 14:04 #iwmwp4 We can hear you fine now Brian - just keep passing the microphone round :-) 2909043194 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:04 #iwmwp4 Channels? 2909042069 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:03 #iwmwp4 yes 2909041556 Davie_T 29/07/2009 14:03 @#iwmwp4 coca cola persuae you to have what they want 2909036329 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:03 #iwmwp4 Is it about portals then 2909034653 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:03 #iwmwp4 Not all content is delivered through the CMS by any manner or means. 2909033667 mariekeguy 29/07/2009 14:03 #iwmwp4 shout if you want the mike! 2909033604 drewmcconnell 29/07/2009 14:03 a cms is better than no cms for sure #iwmwp4 2909019846 lisapr1ce 29/07/2009 14:02 Getting your CMS to work in the way you want is often difficult because adding features can be slow and clunky - web moves too fast #iwmwp4 2909019836 stedaniels 29/07/2009 14:02 #iwmwp4 No wireless microphones to hand around?! 2909010393 catmachine 29/07/2009 14:01 #iwmwp4 CMS makes things easier than no CMS for a lot of people despite problems 2909009383 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 14:01 #iwmwp4 ... remote twitters can't hear the comments from the audience ... 2nd class again ... 2909005231 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:01 #iwmwp4 Oh dear can't hear the interactions remotely! 2909001784 marcus67 29/07/2009 14:00 #iwmwp4 copyright, libel, etc laws will probably have to change - look at music licencing 2908996984 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 14:00 #iwmwp4 CMS is only part of the jigsaw. 2908994440 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 14:00 #iwmwp4 No on the CMS ... just enforces the Uni branding ... 2908991038 RappinRach 29/07/2009 14:00 #iwmwp4 Our CMS definitely stands in the way 2908990444 timothym 29/07/2009 14:00 whether a cms offers all that is not a yes or no question #iwmwp4 2908988664 Davie_T 29/07/2009 13:59 @#iwmwp4 correct gareth 2908985627 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:59 #iwmwp4 No more than anything else. 2908984082 davidrnewman 29/07/2009 13:59 Now all fraud is computer fraud, it is more efficient. So why paper memos? #iwmwp4 2908975962 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 13:58 Copyright can't exist in a networked world. Discuss... #iwmwp4 2908974352 Davie_T 29/07/2009 13:58 @#iwmwp4 thin client comeback will impact web 2908974312 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 13:58 #iwmwp4 We'll just rebrand ... like HR ... 2908973029 marcus67 29/07/2009 13:58 #iwmwp4 think Paul trying to say tht courses are products nd thy could (in a brave world) be rated by students (the descriptor would remain) 2908970609 briankelly 29/07/2009 13:58 I agree with James that Web in IWMW is constraining #iwmwp4 2908969803 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:58 If web teams disappeared what would stop at your institution? EVERYTHING online? Nope! So where do we really come in? #iwmwp4 2908965429 gmcaleese 29/07/2009 13:57 @Davie_T are web delivered apps not similar to a thin computing approach #iwmwp4 2908963460 RappinRach 29/07/2009 13:57 #iwmwp4 But how can the lawyers keep up with the copyright prosecutions? 2908951237 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 13:56 Phrase "web" has grown beyond protocols, IMO. Skype is web, FTP is web, Desktop is (increasingly) web, IM is web, maybe even SMS..? #iwmwp4 2908948979 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:56 #iwmwp4 Agree with James about the prospectus thing. Was thinking that this morning. Legally binding info with web 2.0 content around it. 2908935155 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:55 so did I! #iwmwp4 2908932256 Davie_T 29/07/2009 13:55 @#iwmwp4 librarians need to help academics understand information on the web needs to be converted to knowledge 2908930614 catmachine 29/07/2009 13:54 #iwmwp4 I'm not web only - "online" was dropped from my job title to encompass other means of delivering information 2908913747 RappinRach 29/07/2009 13:53 #iwmwp4 Yay open access & repositories forever 2908912534 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 13:53 Social web is important because it is about connecting people, other people and content. Not the be all and end all but still key #iwmwp4 2908902532 hectorpeebles 29/07/2009 13:52 World Brain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Brain #IWMWp4 2908901247 mariekeguy 29/07/2009 13:52 The web is the route, what the destination is depends on you. #iwmwp4 2908899357 timothym 29/07/2009 13:52 Brian, should the comms not have content? #iwmwp4 2908894962 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:51 #iwmwp4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Brain 2908888970 RappinRach 29/07/2009 13:51 #iwmwp4 That's cos we oldies still like communicating interesting ideas 2908888428 psm0726 29/07/2009 13:51 the web is a protocol to do whatever you can do with it #iwmwp4 2908885260 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:51 #iwmwp4 What are we trying to tell people? Then what is the best way to do it for them. 2908884253 mearso 29/07/2009 13:51 #iwmwp4 Links are the pipes - content is the water ? 2908869650 briankelly 29/07/2009 13:49 Web for me is more about comms than content #iwmwp4 2908868070 andypowe11 29/07/2009 13:49 l"inks have meaning" - yes, agreed - but not more meaning than the content they link between - #iwmwp4 2908863066 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 13:49 ...oh, and also an enormous timesink... #iwmwp4 2908855896 RappinRach 29/07/2009 13:48 #iwmwp4 I got here via andypowe11's twitter hash tag 2908855102 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 13:48 Web = content, innit? Lots and lots and lots of content, sitting on an infrastructure that encourages you to get at that content #iwmwp4 2908849992 mecb 29/07/2009 13:48 The web is: an intricate trap that entangles or ensnares its victim - AskJeeves #iwmwp4 2908849897 psm0726 29/07/2009 13:48 Web is a world-wide panopticon - where everyone can see everything. Except where you can't ... #iwmwp4 2908845342 mike_mcconnell 29/07/2009 13:47 an intricate trap that entangles or ensnares its victim #iwmwp4. 2908843049 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:47 #iwmwp4 Will we need web managers in 5-10 years? The ubiquitous web. Role becomes more, or less, specific? 2908842392 RappinRach 29/07/2009 13:47 #iwmwp4 This won't work with an English audience will it? 2908842150 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 13:47 If you have a definition for the web, or a defining feature of the web, tweet it using the #iwmwp4 tag #iwmw2009 #p4 2908840661 andypowe11 29/07/2009 13:47 does "the web" have any meaning? yes, of course - we're having a whole conference it! #iwmwp4 2908840206 Davie_T 29/07/2009 13:47 @#iwmwp4 anything that is electoncially connected for communicatio 2908834776 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:46 #iwmwp4 Will web managers be needed in 10 years? The ubiquitous web. Role changing? More seci 2908825443 mearso 29/07/2009 13:45 #iwmwp4 My mum used to be a punchcard operator - and used to bring them home for me to draw on 2908823020 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 13:45 tweet45? (sorry) #iwmwp4 2908819205 RappinRach 29/07/2009 13:45 #iwmwp4 The medium is the message 2908812782 timothym 29/07/2009 13:44 But we are told that more things move online, so maybe we'll stop growing? #iwmwp4 2908807179 andypowe11 29/07/2009 13:44 james will be handing out p45s after the session - #iwmwp4 2908795718 andypowe11 29/07/2009 13:43 there"s quite a long delay before our tweets come up at the front - #iwmwp4 2908791244 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 13:43 #iwmwp4 Me on the 20% cost cut 2908787180 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:42 #iwmwp4 20% cost cut coming 2908782999 m1ke_ellis 29/07/2009 13:42 Hey, it only took me 5 minutes to get on the wifi this time #stillquitepainful #iwmwp4 2908762619 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 13:40 James will respond to things that are raised on the #iwmwp4 tag. Reporting of his talk will continue on #iwmw2009 #p4 as with other talks 2908757837 mecb 29/07/2009 13:40 Feel free to ask questions on #iwmwp4 2908754096 stedaniels 29/07/2009 13:39 #iwmw2009 #iwmwp4 loved the non powerpoint talk last year - it's all in the style.. the content wasn't exactly my thing lol 2908752319 catmachine 29/07/2009 13:39 Will have to start a new tweetdeck window for #iwmwp4 tags unless people use #iwmw2009 as well 2908751361 peterchetwynd 29/07/2009 13:39 I don't know how to listen #iwmwp4 2908750927 briankelly 29/07/2009 13:39 James is giving an Events2.0 talk at #iwmwp4. No PowerPoint, no visual props! 2908750548 Davie_T 29/07/2009 13:39 #iwmwp4 oh so now wer are being told how to tweet 2908740142 hectorpeebles 29/07/2009 13:38 Hello y'all! #IWMWp4 2908739178 marcus67 29/07/2009 13:38 #iwmwp4 is James having a dig at our over-talking @boagworld *smile* 2908738024 stedaniels 29/07/2009 13:38 #iwmwp4 Oooh another hash tag 2908737614 nigelbradley 29/07/2009 13:38 #iwmwp4 hi all wake up at back 2908735708 RappinRach 29/07/2009 13:38 #iwmwp4 From Norwich watching the stream. 2908729488 dbushell 29/07/2009 13:37 #iwmwp4 Hey there! 2908729471 briankelly 29/07/2009 13:37 Looking forward to James Curral #iwmwp4 talk at #iwmw2009 2908725539 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 13:37 There is no slideshow for this talk - there is no comfort blanket at all! James will be using Twitterfall, searching for #iwmwp4 2908723985 andypowe11 29/07/2009 13:37 hello world #iwmwp4 2908721807 PlanetClaire 29/07/2009 13:36 #iwmwp4 Hi James 2908562592 drewmcconnell 29/07/2009 13:22 this is a test #iwmwp4