id username date time status 2927196281 spellerlive 30/07/2009 09:53 #iwmw2009 #p8 overall: a lot of scary goodness - and a lot of work to hand-craft everything 2927126749 mearso 30/07/2009 09:45 #iwmw2009 #p8 Wondering if the BBC guys write stories for testing in addition to using real people 2927104156 AM_Doherty 30/07/2009 09:42 We're starting to implement URL rewriters to work around the CMS limitations, hopefully full REST will follow #iwmw2009 #p8 2927089082 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:40 Does anyone in the remote audience have a question for Michael & Matthew? #iwmw2009 #p8 2927084305 surajkika 30/07/2009 09:40 RT @AM_Doherty: Good hackable URLs should allow content remixing in future development too #iwmw2009 #p8 2927078515 catmachine 30/07/2009 09:39 #iwmw2009 #p8 take away from session - immense value of hackable human readable URIs 2927065199 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:37 What is the main thing you will take away from the BBC plenary talk? #iwmw2009 #p8 2927059212 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:37 Creating rich content discovery journeys through the resources #iwmw2009 #p8 2927057250 AM_Doherty 30/07/2009 09:36 Good hackable URLs should allow content remixing in future development too #iwmw2009 #p8 2927035870 spellerlive 30/07/2009 09:34 Like the hackable URLs - something I do a lot - but do many users? #iwmw2009 #p8 2927035862 liz_azyan 30/07/2009 09:34 RT @iwmwlive: Document design should be independent of the page layout - thats the job of the CSS! #iwmw2009 #p8 2927032409 liz_azyan 30/07/2009 09:34 RT @iwmwlive: All design and usability issues are fixable - some just need more lawyers than others! #iwmw2009 #p8 2927030256 surajkika 30/07/2009 09:33 When you develop apps "Javascript and Ajax is the last thing to happen" #iwmw2009 #p8 2927020938 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:32 We are now having tour of /programmes to see how these methods have been applied in practice #iwmw2009 #p8 2927020087 kammer 30/07/2009 09:32 RT @iwmwlive: [BBC Web Developers] "We don't test Photoshop mock ups, we don't test wireframes, we test working applications" #iwmw2009 #p8 2927011559 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:31 Test with the javascript turned on and turned off #iwmw2009 #p8 2927005491 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:31 The last thing to happen is adding any Javascrip or AJAX #iwmw2009 #p8 2927000475 surajkika 30/07/2009 09:30 RT @iwmwlive: "We don't test photoshop mock ups, we don't test wireframes, we test working applications" #iwmw2009 #p8 2926997614 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:30 All design and usability issues are fixable - some just need more lawyers than others! #iwmw2009 #p8 2926981593 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:28 "We don't test photoshop mock ups, we don't test wireframes, we test working applications" #iwmw2009 #p8 2926979979 catmachine 30/07/2009 09:28 #iwmw2009 #p8 wish I had a big enough wall to allow me to use post-its in this way, would be v. useful. Sadly I am in an open plan office. 2926977118 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:27 Wireframing happens when you add the layout CSS to the HTML pages #iwmw2009 #p8 2926970918 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:27 Document design should be independent of the page layout - thats the job of the CSS! #iwmw2009 #p8 2926964216 AM_Doherty 30/07/2009 09:26 SO RESTful url obsession builds a sitemap from the inside out #iwmw2009 #p8 2926963914 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:26 What is the data that I need to build this resource? ...In all its representations #iwmw2009 #p8 2926962429 PlanetClaire 30/07/2009 09:26 #iwmw2009 #p8 Glad I'm not the only one who designs IAs with loads of post it notes! 2926956002 cgutteridge 30/07/2009 09:25 We did this for our University Department; http://id.ecs.soton.ac.uk/docs/ - feel free to nick ideas. #iwmw2009 #p8 2926945427 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:24 The aim is to make URIs human readable, hackable and, most importantly, persistent #iwmw2009 #p8 2926942677 scruffian_peej 30/07/2009 09:23 #iwmw2009 #p8 Looks much like classic systems analysis to me - web site design as information system design rather than collection of pages 2926928440 MikeNolanLive 30/07/2009 09:22 Glad I'm not the only one who obsesses about URLs #iwmw2009 #p8 2926927981 spellerlive 30/07/2009 09:21 "We obsess URLs" #iwmw2009 #p8 2926926302 scruffian_peej 30/07/2009 09:21 #iwmw2009 #p8 i 2926923980 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:21 Express the domain, reflect the ubiquitous language and richly express the domain model #iwmw2009 #p8 2926918730 mecb 30/07/2009 09:20 Does your website look like a badly played game of Tetris? #iwmw2009 #p8 2926916204 mariekeguy 30/07/2009 09:20 #iwmw2009 #p8 http://www.netvibes.com/iwmw2009 2926914325 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:20 Using DBpedia and collaborating with Music Brains #iwmw2009 #p8 2926905054 spellerlive 30/07/2009 09:19 Domain expert? Senior supplier? Stakeholder? #iwmw2009 #p8 2926899512 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:18 No wireframes, no mockups... they start with the database design, translating the domain model into a physical database schema #iwmw2009 #p8 2926894661 spellerlive 30/07/2009 09:18 Domain object model like Tetris / Lego - these guys are too clever for me #iwmw2009 #p8 2926890950 AM_Doherty 30/07/2009 09:17 Having no sitemap is probably a great way to open an internal discussion about REST #iwmw2009 #p8 2926875961 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:16 Checking your domain model with users to make sure they speak the same language is really important #iwmw2009 #p8 2926871692 MikeNolanLive 30/07/2009 09:15 "The people upstairs need to see photoshop mockups" #iwmw2009 #p8 2926871315 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:15 Identify the relationships between your domain objects, but no wireframes etc - the domain model dictates structure #iwmw2009 #p8 2926870421 mariekeguy 30/07/2009 09:15 #iwmw2009 #p8 Slides at http://bit.ly/2APpM 2926865584 catmachine 30/07/2009 09:14 #iwmw2009 #p8 are slides for this online anywhere? 2926863094 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:14 Identify your domain objects - in this case programmes, songs, recordings etc #iwmw2009 #p8 2926814337 spellerlive 30/07/2009 09:09 I really did not expect to be quoted in this presentation - oops! #iwmw2009 #p8 2926813345 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:09 Designing and building data driven dynamic web applications...the one web, domain driven, RESTful, open, linked data way #iwmw2009 #p8 2926794361 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:07 Matthew & Michael's team work on www.bbc.co.uk/programmes, providing a permanent home for all BBC programmes on the web #iwmw2009 #p8 2926772309 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:05 Mike Nolan is chairing this morning's session #iwmw2009 #p8 2926761477 spellerlive 30/07/2009 09:04 This should be interesting - always wondered how they did it (apart from loads of our dosh!) #iwmw2009 #p8 2926730379 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 09:00 Slides for this plenary can be found at http://tinyurl.com/ks2vx4 #iwmw2009 #p8 2926706539 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 08:58 The last plenary is about to start: How The BBC Make Websites, presented by Michael Smethurst & Matthew Wood #iwmw2009 #p8