id username date time status 2927957977 iwmwlive 30/07/2009 11:21 Brian is discussing Paul Boag's session #p3 and drawing attention to his blog post for further discussion of the issues he raised #iwmw2009 2907383070 mecb 29/07/2009 11:11 In last tweet for 'being' read 'begin' - oops #iwmw2009 #p3 2907366364 mecb 29/07/2009 11:09 I would advise speakers to being plenaries 'I'm going to tell you alot of what you know and agree with you much of the time' #iwmw2009 #p3 2907259508 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 10:56 @iwmwlive main takeaway: we're not doing real engagement, still lots more we could do. #iwmw2009 #p3 2907129212 webpackets 29/07/2009 10:40 @sharonsteeples #iwmw2009 #p3 - why not rate the courses - the best way of getting feedback and getting the management to listen and act 2907077278 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 10:34 #iwmw2009 #p3 .. put your killer app somewhere other than on yer Mac ... 2907057182 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:32 #iwmw2009 #p3 overall: Paul entertaining as ever - and some solid ideas around looking outside HE - but not as WOW as he made out. 2907048279 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:31 What is the main thing you will take away from Paul Boag's talk? #iwmw2009 #p3 2907043704 webpackets 29/07/2009 10:30 #iwmw2009 #p3 - shameless plug - have a look at Derby Uni website - we're already playing with some of these ideas 2907041994 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:30 We need to look beyond HE for inspiration and ideas #iwmw2009 #p3 2907032963 bensteeples 29/07/2009 10:29 #iwmw2009 #p3 "Use a copyrighter!" 2907030018 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:28 Paul is stamping his feet to reinforce the need to use a copywriter #iwmw2009 #p3 2907027109 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:28 Negative comments reinforce positive comments as they make reviews more authentic and trustworthy #iwmw2009 #p3 2907022695 sharonsteeples 29/07/2009 10:27 Rate your course... sooooo NOT going to happen! LOL #iwmw2009 #p3 2907018226 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:27 Shopping baskets and ratings are OK - but are they as controversial as he's suggesting? #iwmw2009 #p3 2907013955 stedaniels 29/07/2009 10:26 @joelporter we do baskets @edgehill "people also looked at" would be a good addition.. #iwmw2009 #p3 2907011440 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:26 There is more to engagement than talking on Twitter and Facebook - students are out there rating and reviewing universities #iwmw2009 #p3 2907010782 williamslive 29/07/2009 10:26 @joelporter #iwmw2009 #p3 we have both in development and close to live. Then send out a paper prospectus with only those courses in. 2907004813 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 10:25 @joelporter We've got a basket and we log some stuff related to what people look at but we don't surface much of the data yet #iwmw2009 #p3 2906991084 mecb 29/07/2009 10:24 property.com.au has failed in my browser :-( #p3 #iwmw2009 2906989813 williamslive 29/07/2009 10:23 @bensteeples #iwmw2009 #p3 what sliders would you choose? cost, ucas points, difficulty, employability? 2906988566 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 10:23 #iwmw2009 #p3 Now to the inspiring bit .. the video .. the course application existed at least 3 years ago .. I saw it ... now where is it ? 2906988334 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:23 Let's flog courses on eBay! #iwmw2009 #p3 2906987310 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:23 Users can suffer from choice paralysis #iwmw2009 #p3 2906985432 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 10:23 #iwmw2009 #p3 The Confused.com advert is intensely annoying, but people remember it. 2906983064 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:23 Paul is challenging us to look at e-commerce sites to think of new ways to approach the course finder #iwmw2009 #p3 2906978573 bensteeples 29/07/2009 10:22 #iwmw2009 #p3 Can the approach used on http://property.com.au/ (AJAX sliders to limit data) be applied to University Course Finders? Yes! 2906964683 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:20 Look at the way desktop applications work to find new ways of pushing online applications forwards #iwmw2009 #p3 2906956200 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:19 Actually he's right - Get Satisfaction is cool. http://getsatisfaction.com/ #iwmw2009 #p3 2906950310 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:19 Shifting the mindset away from page-based to application-based is difficult. Paul suggests storyboarding and sanity checks #iwmw2009 #p3 2906943732 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:18 @bensteeples OK - progressive enhancement is cool #p3 #iwmw2009 2906942120 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:18 How to kill costs: don't reinvent the wheel - use existing APIs, use Javascript libraries & use 3rd party websites #iwmw2009 #p3 2906925572 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:16 @joelporter Tee hee :) #iwmw2009 #p3 2906924115 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:15 go to http://headscape.co.uk/workshops/ to see graded browser support demonstration #iwmw2009 #p3 2906922490 bensteeples 29/07/2009 10:15 #iwmw2009 #p3 Progressive Enhancement... not Graceful Degredation. The 'baseline' should be good enough, HIJAX will make it all look spiffy. 2906918204 mecb 29/07/2009 10:15 Can we use Ajax to mop up the blood from this presentation? My mum used to swear by it. #p3 #iwmw2009 2906908366 bensteeples 29/07/2009 10:14 #iwmw2009 #p3 blatantplug anyway... 2906907751 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 10:14 Headscape workshop: http://www.headscape.co.uk/workshops/ #iwmw2009 #p3 2906904016 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:13 It was called graceful degredation in my day #iwmw2009 #p3 2906903325 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:13 Accessibility standards are a major issue when creating innovative sites. Paul is advocating graded browser support #iwmw2009 #p3 2906900602 mecb 29/07/2009 10:13 Show not tell good for basics. Pictures good for putting together flatpacks. Language good for solving world problems imho #p3 #iwmw2009 2906889558 webpackets 29/07/2009 10:11 @joelporter #iwmw2009 #p3 in making it look like a banner you fall foul of the banner blindness phenomena - do you really read web ads? 2906883728 stedaniels 29/07/2009 10:11 @Mister_Roy @boagworld is doing these slides http://bit.ly/1bzgkd the live stream is here: http://bit.ly/6954k #iwmw2009 #p3 2906878740 bensteeples 29/07/2009 10:10 #iwmw2009 #p3 Sometimes a proof of concept, developed in your own time, is the only way of producing a good enough product. 2906874278 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:09 You need to do a proof of concept - show them something better so they can imagine it #iwmw2009 #p3 2906859947 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:08 "People buy on personality" so website text needs to have a personal voice to make a connection #iwmw2009 #p3 2906855893 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:07 It's not factual - it's spiel #iwmw2009 #p3 2906854475 lyndabewley 29/07/2009 10:07 #iwmw2009 #p3 broadcast v dialogue is an interesting points. 2906840994 spellerlive 29/07/2009 10:05 As we always knew - @edgehill are the only good guys ;( #iwmw2009 #p3 2906840222 williamslive 29/07/2009 10:05 Congrats to Edgehill (again) #iwmw2009 #p3 2906838537 mecb 29/07/2009 10:05 I get visual and multimedia and experience and the lack of it in HE but do some think words are no longer necessary? #p3 #iwmw2009 2906838358 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:05 Universities are still treating their web apps - like course finders - as series of pages, rather than dynamic applications #iwmw2009 #p3 2906838081 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 10:05 Thank fsck it's being cited as a good example! #iwmw2009 #p3 2906825518 elvisgpresley 29/07/2009 10:04 #iwmw2009 #p3 Oh dear the killer app dies ... no content ... 2906807282 webpackets 29/07/2009 10:01 #iwmw2009 #p3 the youtube generation care about realism not quality of content 2906803647 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 10:01 Student don't care about quality of production - they care about content #iwmw2009 #p3 2906803591 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 10:01 The new students are the YouTube generation - they care about openness and honesty, not necessarily quality of production #iwmw2009 #p3 2906782291 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 09:59 However Yahoo!'s also apply: http://www.flickr.com/atos/pro/ not so nice #iwmw2009 #p3 2906776021 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:58 Flickr is a great example of being really friendly and personable - not just on their blog, but also in their terms of use #iwmw2009 #p3 2906775511 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 09:58 Flickr terms of service: http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne #iwmw2009 #p3 2906774814 spellerlive 29/07/2009 09:58 But where does the Web begin and end? Anything in a browser? Or not? #iwmw2009 #p3 2906768224 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:57 The web is also becoming more personal and personable #iwmw2009 #p3 2906759526 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:56 Its not just about the web becoming more desktop-like, but also that the web is more social now #iwmw2009 #p3 2906751913 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:55 The web is no longer about textual content, but online, interactive applications #iwmw2009 #p3 2906742178 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:54 Paul aims to provide us with a business case to justify change, look at the challenges and to inspire change #iwmw2009 #p3 2906738993 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 09:54 @boagworld #iwmw2009 #p3 http://twitpic.com/c04m3 2906734305 spellerlive 29/07/2009 09:53 Er..not if you're a research-based institution #iwmw2009 #p3 2906728844 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:52 The course finder is your killer application on your corporate website #iwmw2009 #p3 2906725862 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:52 Killer applications? behind the scenes apps used by staff? apps used by students? corporate website? #iwmw2009 #p3 2906718853 spellerlive 29/07/2009 09:51 @mecb It's controvertial all right - it's non-existent! #iwmw2009 #p3 2906714853 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:51 Apologies to those watching the live streaming - having a few problems with the slides #iwmw2009 #p3 2906706801 williamslive 29/07/2009 09:50 Perhaps Debbie could give a song while we wait #iwmw2009 #p3 2906698046 williamslive 29/07/2009 09:49 Keep filling Paul #iwmw2009 #p3 2906693594 mecb 29/07/2009 09:48 Warning - most people who claim that their talk will be controversial fail to deliver ;-) #p3 #iwmw2009 2906681329 iwmwlive 29/07/2009 09:47 Paul Boag: "Making Your Killer Applications...Killer" up next. See http://tinyurl.com/nz9bm2 for the slides #iwmw2009 #p3 2906675512 spellerlive 29/07/2009 09:46 Come on Paul - sort yourself out #iwmw2009 #p3 2906675007 MikeNolanLive 29/07/2009 09:46 @boagworld from #headscape up next at #iwmw2009 #p3 look out for a screenshot of @edgehill's website. 2906665438 spellerlive 29/07/2009 09:45 OMG here we go with @boagworld #iwmw2009 #p3